--- [ ARCHIVE ](https://mail.citywatchla.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=16) # San Diego, Oakland Steaming Over NFL Move to LA ![](https://mail.citywatchla.com/images/stories/Nov-2015/089b.png)SPORTS POLITICS--As the National Football League neared a final decision on whether to relocate any franchises to Los Angeles, fans in cities that could lose teams gave the league an earful. Commissioner Roger Goodell recognized how touchy things have become, as an unprecedented sequence of proposals and counterproposals has played out among the St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders. “We’ve been 20 years not in the Los Angeles market,” Goodell said, [according](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13983665/roger-goodell-says-nfl-gathering-enough-information-losangeles-relocation-decision) to ESPN, calling an LA team “a huge plus for fans. There are 20 million fans in that market that would love to have a franchise. But we’ve got to do this responsibly. There’s a process, and we’re going through that process.” Its latest set of twists and turns has played out at hearings in the hometowns of teams contemplating a move. “The three-hour meetings, held on consecutive nights in downtown theaters, were more listening sessions for the NFL than back-and-forth exchanges with fans, who registered online for free passes to the events,” the Los Angeles Times [reported](http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-town-meetings-20151031-story.html). “The league also streamed the hearings online.” **Fan fury-**At times, fan frustration dominated. “It was loud. It was angry. It was sad. But no matter how much they pleaded for the Chargers to stay in San Diego, many wondered if it even mattered,” USA Today [observed](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chargers/2015/10/29/chargers-fans-voice-displeasure-teams-possible-move-los-angeles/74789176/) at the city’s downtown Spreckels Theater. The Chargers, according to the paper, “say they receive 25 percent of their local revenues from Los Angeles and Orange counties.” In St. Louis, the assembled booed every mention of Stan Kroenke, the Rams owner seemingly intent on shifting his team to a complex to be built on an Inglewood lot where a Walmart once might have been. Echoing a common sentiment, one fan [told](http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-rams-townhall-20151027-story.html) the Times “there was a feeling around St. Louis that the town hall meeting was merely a formality.” Comments from the League seemed to reinforce that cynical judgment. In remarks reported by the Times, NFL executive vice president Eric Grubman called the hearings “very cathartic,” but denied that fans’ strongly-voiced opinions ultimately held any sway. “What I got from the crowd was the passion and emotion. There were a couple of ideas to think about,” he said. “But this is not the time to negotiate. We weren’t trying to negotiate with the crowd. What we were trying to do was give them a voice, and be able to carry that voice back, and that happened pretty effectively.” {module \[1177\]} **Hail Mary in Oakland-**But in Oakland, at least, fans found succor from their team’s owner, Mark Davis, who vowed to do all he could to stay out of Los Angeles. “We need help from the community as well to get something that our fans in Oakland can be proud of,” he said, [according](http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000568778/article/mark-davis-says-hes-committed-to-oakland-at-town-hall-meeting) to NFL.com. “We don’t have that right now and we want it. It can be done in Oakland. We’ve talked to three mega developers to get this going. We have been trying for at least the past six years, every day, hundreds of hours, to try to get something done here in Oakland.” Nevertheless, Davis’s dedication might not pay off. As NFL.com pointed out, the Oakland Coliseum, where the Raiders still play, “was built in 1966 and has been plagued by numerous plumbing and other problems over the past decade.” In Los Angeles, under a proposed joint deal, the Raiders and the Chargers would share a new $1.7 billion dollar stadium located in Carson. Whatever the feelings involved, the league appeared to be set on a course for a relocation process that could begin — and end — in January. “Teams would pay a fee to apply to exit their current market, and NFL owners can vote to determine the order of preference for franchises herding themselves into the California queue,” UPI [noted](http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2015/10/30/NFLs-LA-story-evolving-with-relocation-window-open-soon/2551446234579/). (James Poulos writes for [CalWatchdog](http://calwatchdog.com) … where this perspective was originally published.) -cw CityWatch Vol 13 Issue 89 Pub: Nov 3, 2015 Written by James Poulos. November 02 2015 [](https://www.addtoany.com/share) ![](https://mail.citywatchla.com/images/stories/Nov-2015/089b.png)SPORTS POLITICS--As the National Football League neared a final decision on whether to relocate any franchises to Los Angeles, fans in cities that could lose teams gave the league an earful. Commissioner Roger Goodell recognized how touchy things have become, as an unprecedented sequence of proposals and counterproposals has played out among the St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders. “We’ve been 20 years not in the Los Angeles market,” Goodell said, [according](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13983665/roger-goodell-says-nfl-gathering-enough-information-losangeles-relocation-decision) to ESPN, calling an LA team “a huge plus for fans. There are 20 million fans in that market that would love to have a franchise. But we’ve got to do this responsibly. There’s a process, and we’re going through that process.” Its latest set of twists and turns has played out at hearings in the hometowns of teams contemplating a move. “The three-hour meetings, held on consecutive nights in downtown theaters, were more listening sessions for the NFL than back-and-forth exchanges with fans, who registered online for free passes to the events,” the Los Angeles Times [reported](http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-town-meetings-20151031-story.html). “The league also streamed the hearings online.” **Fan fury-**At times, fan frustration dominated. “It was loud. It was angry. It was sad. But no matter how much they pleaded for the Chargers to stay in San Diego, many wondered if it even mattered,” USA Today [observed](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/chargers/2015/10/29/chargers-fans-voice-displeasure-teams-possible-move-los-angeles/74789176/) at the city’s downtown Spreckels Theater. The Chargers, according to the paper, “say they receive 25 percent of their local revenues from Los Angeles and Orange counties.” In St. Louis, the assembled booed every mention of Stan Kroenke, the Rams owner seemingly intent on shifting his team to a complex to be built on an Inglewood lot where a Walmart once might have been. Echoing a common sentiment, one fan [told](http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-rams-townhall-20151027-story.html) the Times “there was a feeling around St. Louis that the town hall meeting was merely a formality.” Comments from the League seemed to reinforce that cynical judgment. In remarks reported by the Times, NFL executive vice president Eric Grubman called the hearings “very cathartic,” but denied that fans’ strongly-voiced opinions ultimately held any sway. “What I got from the crowd was the passion and emotion. There were a couple of ideas to think about,” he said. “But this is not the time to negotiate. We weren’t trying to negotiate with the crowd. What we were trying to do was give them a voice, and be able to carry that voice back, and that happened pretty effectively.” {module \[1177\]} **Hail Mary in Oakland-**But in Oakland, at least, fans found succor from their team’s owner, Mark Davis, who vowed to do all he could to stay out of Los Angeles. “We need help from the community as well to get something that our fans in Oakland can be proud of,” he said, [according](http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000568778/article/mark-davis-says-hes-committed-to-oakland-at-town-hall-meeting) to NFL.com. “We don’t have that right now and we want it. It can be done in Oakland. We’ve talked to three mega developers to get this going. We have been trying for at least the past six years, every day, hundreds of hours, to try to get something done here in Oakland.” Nevertheless, Davis’s dedication might not pay off. As NFL.com pointed out, the Oakland Coliseum, where the Raiders still play, “was built in 1966 and has been plagued by numerous plumbing and other problems over the past decade.” In Los Angeles, under a proposed joint deal, the Raiders and the Chargers would share a new $1.7 billion dollar stadium located in Carson. Whatever the feelings involved, the league appeared to be set on a course for a relocation process that could begin — and end — in January. “Teams would pay a fee to apply to exit their current market, and NFL owners can vote to determine the order of preference for franchises herding themselves into the California queue,” UPI [noted](http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2015/10/30/NFLs-LA-story-evolving-with-relocation-window-open-soon/2551446234579/). 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